May 20, 2024 |

Exploring AI’s Role in Legal Research, Data Analysis, and Client Management

Tanner Jones, your host and Vice President of Business Development at Consultwebs, welcomes you to another episode of the LAWsome Podcast by Consultwebs.

In this episode, he is joined by Karl Seelbach, an attorney, founder of Skribe.ai, and expert in legal marketing. They discuss the evolution of AI in the legal field and how AI tools have transformed legal research, data analysis, and legal marketing. Karl shares his experiences with different AI tools and the challenges of implementing them. They also explore the role of AI in decision-making, client management, and running a law firm. Karl provides insights on how to get started with AI in the legal field and emphasizes the importance of testing and evaluating different tools.

Key Takeaways:

AI tools have revolutionized legal research, enhancing efficiency and enabling natural language interactions with software.
Implementing AI tools in the legal field can present challenges, such as choosing the right tool and addressing risks like hallucinations.
AI can assist in decision-making by analyzing large data sets, spotting inconsistencies, and assessing exposure or potential jury verdicts.
AI tech can also be leveraged to improve client management, from intake processes to chatbots and AI-powered phone support.
Staying ahead in the legal tech space required resting and evaluating different AI solutions, considering cost-benefit analysis, and attending legal tech conferences.

Timestamps:

00:01 – Introduction to Karl Seelbach

01:45 – Evolution of AI in Legal Research

03:49 – Challenges of Implementing AI in Legal Research

04:10 – Leveraging AI Tools for Legal Research

08:10 – AI in Data Analysis and Case Evaluation

11:26 – Using AI for Assessing Jury Verdicts and Risk

12:07 – Starting with AI in Legal Practices

14:15 – AI in Medical Record Analysis

15:15 – AI in Client Management and Intake

18:22 – The Future of AI in Legal Marketing

19:14 – Ethical Considerations and Deep Fakes

21:35 – Introducing Scribd AI

22:43 – Speed and Efficiency in Legal Practices

25:25 – Staying Ahead with Legal Tech

27:20 – Final Thoughts and Advice

Best way to contact Karl:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kwseelbach/

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Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] Voice over: Lawsome by ConsultWebs. Breakthrough insights to build a thriving law firm with your host, Tanner Jones.

[00:00:15] Tanner Jones: Hello to all you Lawsome listeners. Today on the show, I’m excited to be talking with Karl Seelbach, a seasoned lawyer and founder of Doyle and Seelbach. Karl started his career in the legal field as a courtroom advocate. At South Texas College of Law in Houston. Karl’s legal career blossomed when he worked for Winstead PC, one of the largest law firms in Texas, where he spent almost a decade of his career.

He was mentored by former appellate judges, litigators, and by seasoned trial lawyers within the state. This experience helped him gain invaluable knowledge and expertise in areas like personal injury, employment litigation, business, and more. From there, Karl took a leap. He co founded his law firm Doyle and Seelbach.

He’s earned a reputation as a skilled [00:01:00] advocate. And a whip smart lawyer as described by many colleagues today’s topic. It’s the evolution of AI in the legal field, transforming research, data analysis, and legal marketing. Thanks for coming to the show, Karl Tanner. Thanks for having me. I’m glad to be here.

Absolutely. This topic seems to be just covering the airwaves right now because it’s so impactful to any industry, but obviously legal, there’s been some major transformation, AI tools today have. really changed legal research enhancing efficiency and helping you really analyze information at a greater scale than ever before.

And this type of innovative technology is clearly streamlined a lot within a law firm, or at least has potential to do so. So that’s really where I’d like to start, Karl, from your experience and really practically speaking for our listeners, how have. Different AI tools changed the traditional legal research method.

[00:01:58] Karl Seelbach: Yeah, no, it’s a great question. And [00:02:00] I think what’s interesting is it’s not that AI hasn’t been behind the scenes before is that the way we’re interacting with the software is changing, right? With the large language models, being able to actually have a conversation. With the software where you don’t have to know exactly what the codes are or like the string of characters that you need to run in Westlaw or Lexis.

Now you can just ask it using natural language and kind of interact with it. So that’s pretty cool. When I think about my legal career, so I started practicing law in 2006. With winstead I was just an associate I would say a lot of the research even though we were trained on lexis and westlaw, software websites in law school There were still a lot of people went to the library Especially a lot of the partners that I worked with at the time I was i’ve always been a techie.

I just love technology. So it really wasn’t my style I was very much like no I can I don’t need to go to the library and go find the book I can You And a few keystrokes, I can pull up the case, with the AI powered tools, what we’re seeing [00:03:00] is. An evolution, right? So I remember years ago, this was just before I made partner.

So probably in 2013, 2014 a conversation at the firm of, Hey, do we really need this physical library space or can we make it smaller? And one of the partners with good intentions said, well, if we don’t have the library, where am I going to go find this and this, when I need a case, when I need to get the case or I need to get, whatever it is.

And I remember someone said first of all, you’re the partner. You shouldn’t be doing that anyway. And second of all, you should just use your computer. So eventually like the books became almost like decoration in the hallway. And so that’s been a big shift in and of itself. And that’s been really neat to watch but now, I think we’re just really tip of the iceberg.

Things are about to change and I think change pretty rapidly over the next two to five years.

[00:03:51] Tanner Jones: I would agree. And yeah, that’s it. It’s going to only exponentially increase in terms of just the pacing of change. And I think to some [00:04:00] degree that’s intimidating and I think it’s helpful to go ahead and start with maybe the intimidating concept, which would be the challenges personally, any challenges you faced in implementing some of these AI tools related to legal research.

Can you speak to that?

[00:04:14] Karl Seelbach: Yeah, absolutely. I think one of the challenges, especially as a business owner myself, right? I left the world of big law in 2015 with a really good friend of mine, Trek Doyle. We opened our own firm. We’ve since grown that to 14 attorneys, 11 team members, many of which are paralegals.

So it’s still a small firm, I’m growing we have a lot of fun and work hard for our clients, but I’d say one of the challenges is, How do you, which tool to pick and the AI, the risks associated with things like hallucinations people not knowing how to use it correctly.

Those can be a bit concerning, but if we take a step back and we think about like your original question and your follow up about what tools can you use and how can you actually implement this in your practice in a way that can make your law firm more efficient and [00:05:00] you do a better job for your clients, I think back to.

Before ChatGPT was popular, there was already some pretty cool tools on the market. Kastex has one. They called it, I think it’s still called Kara, C A R A. And, this was, again, before OpenAI, was a household name. You could just drop a brief in. from an opponent and it would go in and it would basically extract all the cases, all the key points.

And so things like that have existed, but now it’s one step further. So if you look at some of the tools and obviously case text is one of the big players in legal research. Lexis AI or Lexis Plus AI, I think is what they call it. Westlaw Precision. If you’ve looked at any of these tools, they all have a similar Interface and a similar result and there’s a reason for that.

Okay, it’s not I don’t think this is a dirty little secret. It’s not like all of these companies just magically invented large language models all in the same year. They’re all leveraging, for the most [00:06:00] part, open a eyes API, right? So it’s a very similar experience. They’re most likely hitting open a eyes API and getting a result.

And so the things that you see in that interface are. draft a sample email to the client on this topic. Summarize this case for me. Explain to me the law on XYZ in the context of a employment harassment case or whatever it is. It doesn’t, and it does a very good job of providing, I think the attorney or the paralegal with the first draft.

The nice thing about using a legal purpose built solution for anything, but particularly for legal research, is They are layering in existing cases so that when that result comes back, you don’t have to worry about a fake case, right? Cause we’ve had litigators file briefs with the court with cases that did not exist.

And I don’t think those litigators were doing it [00:07:00] to try to pull one over on the court. I think they were just either lazy or didn’t understand the technology they were using. So that gets the risk of that happening. I won’t say it’s eliminated by using one of the names that I’ve mentioned But it’s significantly reduced the risk of you deciding something that doesn’t exist.

But, it’s not just legal research, right? There’s a lot of different layers to using AI and I view it through the lens of a litigator. And you can use AI for everything from speeding up your discovery processes. To helping you analyze and capture legal testimony faster to getting ready for trial helping you pick a jury Doing jury research.

There’s just so many different ways That you can add in a layer in AI to your practice that will make you a better litigator. And that doesn’t even start to to get into all the ways you can use AI as a business owner to help you get more business, improve your client intake. So it’s exciting time to be [00:08:00] an attorney.

I think.

[00:08:01] Tanner Jones: Yeah I would totally agree. You’ve, we’ve hit on a little bit, focusing around the data analysis and case evaluation around. legal data evaluation, but obviously, yes, there, it can be a mile deep or a mile wide within your practice on how you want to use it. What about, specifically helping you make decisions in any part of the case, whether it’s the discovery part, whether it’s the legal analysis, have you had any personal experiences of where this type of technology has clearly guided you to make a better decision in the practice of law?

[00:08:35] Karl Seelbach: So let me think about the best way to answer this question. I think there’s a couple of different pieces to this. One is the use of AI. Everybody when they talk about AI today, for the most part, especially people who aren’t software developers tend to be talking about generative AI. Because that’s what they see in the news. People have played around with Google Bard or chat GPT or now X [00:09:00] has, one for interacting. So from a generative AI standpoint. In analyzing a bunch of data, I think where the opportunity comes in to help you with the case, and I have used it for this purpose, is taking a large data set, and keep in mind, I only know what I know, which is primarily personal injury defense work.

We also do some real estate litigation and some commercial litigation. But it’d be taking a big stack of documents, right? Digital documents. I hope everyone’s not using paper still, but and helping summarize that or spot inconsistencies, right? Between testimony and evidence and things like that.

And so there definitely are things that you can use for that. Even GPT, if you subscribe to a pro plan, which gives you some more settings to help configure your privacy settings can help with that. And so I think part of it is just using the. benefit of what Open A. I. Has Bill and others to help you take a large data set, analyze it faster and spot inconsistencies [00:10:00] or consistencies in the evidence that you’re looking at to evaluate your case.

The other side of this, I am really curious. To see how it develops. And so you asked about the context of what I do, assessing exposure or looking at potential jury verdicts and things like that. I think that opportunity is absolutely there. I’m sure there’s companies that are tackling it.

I just haven’t found them yet. I haven’t used them yet. We tend to use Lexis, a verdict search tool. I think they may have layered in a little bit of their AI offering into the verdict search. I haven’t personally tinkered with it yet. That’s usually something I assign to my associates. But, I definitely see an opportunity for just like I was talking about the data within the case to take AI and apply it to, all of this existing verdict information to the extent you can get your hands on it, settlement information or arbitration results, and be able to more quickly analyze and spot, hey, based on your case facts.

Here’s where we think your risk is. That’s definitely where things are headed. I [00:11:00] don’t think there’s any question about that.

[00:11:01] Tanner Jones: Yeah, that’s fascinating. And I think, you may have, or I can almost guarantee we have listeners who are hearing this and maybe they haven’t even dipped a toe into this.

Maybe they still have the library in the back of the office. Like we were talking about , where. Based on what you know, and I think it’s clear, you’re definitely on the cutting edge of the tech world as a litigator, based on your experience here, where is a good place to start, right?

If they’re just so new to this and seemingly there are a lot of different ways that they can pursue this, where have you found that they can find maybe the best impact within their practice?

[00:11:39] Karl Seelbach: So I, I think it, I think the lowest risk place to start, if you just want to dip your toe in the water. is probably just one of, chat GPT, subscribe to the pro plan or use Google bard and just use it for some drafting.

Just use it to get you your first draft. If you’re going [00:12:00] to be doing research and trying to cite cases, I would suggest using one of the case management platform or not case management, excuse me, legal research platforms like case text or Lexus AI or Westlaw precision. Because then you’ll have the benefit of.

not worrying as much about hallucinations and fake case sites. But I think that would be one pretty easy place to start on the kind of litigator tools and my tool belt side of things would be, it helps a lot with drafting. There’s even companies like, I think legal nation is one of the ones that, that I’ve seen even up as another company that actually specifically to legal will help you draft pleadings.

They’ll help you draft discovery documents. I met even up CEO This past summer at a conference and they help plaintiff personal injury attorneys take the information about their case, the medical records, what their client has to say about what happened, and actually help them craft using AI, a demand letter.

And they put even recommended here’s what to ask for based on our data. I think [00:13:00] those are some really neat tools that are out there. The one that I would. And again, you can only do you only have so many cycles, you can only do so many things so fast. I’m really interested in getting my hands on one that’s really good at medical record analysis and summarization.

I know there are some out there, I actually haven’t had a chance to test them yet. But that’s pretty interesting because that tends to be a pain point for any law firm that does personal injury, whether you’re plaintiff side of the bar or the defense side, you tend to be dealing with medical records.

And when you’re getting ready, for a deposition or whatever it is, trial mediation, getting a handle on those records faster can only help you. Yeah

[00:13:36] Tanner Jones: that’s really the power. It’s this type of technology certainly is not replacing lawyers by any means, but what it’s doing is providing an incredible tool to serve clients better, to serve them more efficiently and faster.

And that’s really what I’m hearing. And we’ve talked really around the area of the practice of law here, but clearly running a business itself requires clients [00:14:00] and it requires, at least for a successful business, happy clients. And part of that is through just how we engage our clientele for any business.

But legal is no different. You have to manage those clients and AI its role in that. There are opportunities that are growing in terms of how to manage overall prospective clients and provide a good experience. And so I’m curious, have you turned that corner within the business?

Have you leveraged AI or tech to be able to serve clients or provide, wow, experiences

[00:14:30] Karl Seelbach: in some way? Yeah, a little bit, I’d say scratching the surface. And when I think about. Let’s get out of the kind of the litigator in the trenches and let’s talk business owner.

There are all sorts of tools out there that, you know, even before GPT offered some really powerful software suites that could help you With intake help you track potential leads. My firm uses HubSpot for social media, we use Buffer and, these tools, now, these tools have layered in, again, [00:15:00] probably by hitting OpenAI’s API, they’ve started laying, layering in generative AI, so now, you can begin to, More quickly easily draft content, right?

And so a lot of us particularly attorneys a lot of attorneys have great ideas for things that they want to do It’s just a matter of finding the time to write that article or the time to write that LinkedIn post or whatever it may be and I think now you can Dictate your notes or type up your notes real quick and drop them into one of these tools, whether it’s something like a buffer or even HubSpot.

And it will do a pretty decent first draft. I think of it as, a really fast assistant who is also pretty darn creative and can throw together something for you really quick based on the prompts that you give it. And so the better you get it prompting, the better your results is going to be.

And, the other thing that I’ve seen, I don’t have a need for this because we represent. Large companies for the most part. But, for attorneys that are doing plaintiff personal injury, the chat [00:16:00] bots, in my opinion, used to suck. I didn’t ever want to talk to a chat bot, but that is changing really fast with generative AI.

So the chat, the quality. Of the chat bot is gotten really good. There’s companies out there. Gideon is one that I’ve seen. There’s a couple of other competitors to that, that focus a little bit on legal. And I think there’s probably, that’s the first step in client intake and talking to potential clients who maybe land on your website at midnight.

I think the next step in the not too distant future is going to be AI powered intake phone support to where either making the call or taking the call. It is actually a AI powered person, right? An AI powered software. And I just saw an article in the last. Two weeks where someone had already started using that type of technology in politics, and they were [00:17:00] making thousands of calls to potential voters and having conversations with these voters as an AI powered call specialist, right?

Like a call support type person. And so it’ll be very interesting to see how that takes off, how potential clients respond to it. But the quality keeps getting better and better.

[00:17:20] Tanner Jones: That’s what I’m experiencing as well. Karl. It’s fascinating. I think right now it’s, we’re all just trying to.

To catch up, get used to it to some degree. And naturally as it becomes more mainstream, I think the consumer base overall will become more accepting to it, particularly because it’s serving them better. It’s, their time, as you mentioned, on your website should be working for your business 24 seven.

All the time. And the more you can layer on some of this AI technology, just as you’re suggesting this chat bot, the animation basically creating. animated attorneys of your office and feeding in your [00:18:00] voice. Actually you have the ability essentially to have your own animation on your site, answering questions all the time.

[00:18:07] Karl Seelbach: Yeah. And

[00:18:08] Tanner Jones: that technology is here.

[00:18:09] Karl Seelbach: It’s really crazy to think because the next step and whether this happens next year or the following, or, within five years, I don’t know the quality of we’ll call it a deep fake, but this would be intentional by an attorney. We are not too far away from you probably being able to take this podcast recording, right?

It’s enough of me talking. It’s enough of you talking to take it. And say, you know what? We really liked that podcast with Tanner and Karl. We want them to do another one on a different topic. Here’s a prompt. And all of a sudden it’s just created with our boys, with our likeness. And that’s a scary thing, but it’s not too, I think the problem is going to be.

Two things. One, people being completely overwhelmed with too much information, too much content, and at some point it becomes noise. So that’s going to be a tricky thing to manage in the [00:19:00] future for companies like consult webs, for example, that does, that helps with SEO, that helps with marketing it’s, how do you.

Leverage AI in a way that doesn’t just, it all ends up just being noise. And so that’s going to be interesting to watch. For me, when I take, if I take a step back and, we can talk about more tools AI stuff, I love talking about those things, but for me and what I do.

I always say to my to my team, to my associates, my paralegals, even when we interview people to come join the firm, our job is to find out the truth for our clients, right? Is to find out what happened, whose fault is it? How bad was the person injured? And what’s a reasonable value, if any, that should be offered to settle this case?

And that’s for me, the faster I can get to that decision. And the less expensive it is for me to get to that decision, the better. And I think where software plays in to this is. Software is going to help us bring down the cost of [00:20:00] litigation by making things that used to take a lot of time, take much, much less time, right?

It’s going to speed it up. And so like with, that’s one of the things from my standpoint, that’s one of the things that kind of inspired me and prompted me to start scribe, scribe AI is a legal tech company that I started last year with a good friend of mine, Tom Irby. And the goal there is to help attorneys take depositions and other types of testimony faster for less money and get a result the same day they take the deposition, get a sink transcript.

And it’s all about reducing the cost, making it easier for attorneys to not have to decide, do I want to take This deposition because, I don’t know can my client afford it. It’s so expensive to take a deposition or maybe, I’ve got a hearing next week. I’m not even going to get the result unless I pay Triple to, a court reporting agency.

This transcript and so it’s, it would software, we can do it better and we can do it faster.

[00:20:58] Tanner Jones: That’s just it. And really the [00:21:00] sky is truly the limit here. It’s a matter of, identifying as a business owner where are your key gaps in your business? Where are you, where are your inefficiencies and at least giving you a starting point, because you’re right there, there’s huge time savings potential here and clearly it’s a great way to serve the client and help your business in the process.

[00:21:19] Karl Seelbach: Yeah. I think in today’s world. Speed is not just important. I would say it’s a requirement. And the world moves really fast. You can’t wait for weeks or more to go to the next step in your case because you have, some piece of your machine that’s slow, right? It all needs to be like a well oiled machine.

I had an attorney we were talking to recently who is a scribe customer and he put it like this and I thought it was pretty clever. He said, look, a lawsuit is not like fine wine. It does not get better with age. And his point was he wants everyone on his team [00:22:00] to, as soon as they get a case, this is a plaintiff’s firm in Houston, to just dive into the case and figure out what do we need to do?

What discovery do we need to send? What depositions do we need to take? And let’s go do it, right? And don’t be afraid to take depositions, just because of, the cost, if we can find a lower cost way to do it and get the results really fast, one of the best ways to get to the core of a case is to do it.

Is to just get the witnesses in the hot seat and put them under oath and see what they have to say. And it’s been a lot of fun just seeing how AI can impact all that. There’s another company that I came across lately that I thought was, this is a really clever use of AI and the name of the company is Emotion Track.

And what they can do for attorneys is They can take video depositions and and the attorneys can package them together. So you can create video clips from your depositions. You can do a little self recorded zoom or something doing a little opening statement and a motion track will [00:23:00] take that package we’ll call it, and they will send it to they’ll put it in front of hundreds of eyeballs and they will actually track the sentiment like a sentiment analysis of the people who are responding and listening to this evidence and they’re able to get they’re able to help you assess Credibility of witnesses, but they’re also able to help you assess the value of your case, which can be pretty, which can be informative, both for a plaintiff’s lawyer, who’s trying to decide what’s a demand in a case as well as a defense lawyer like me, who’s trying to help guide my client.

What’s a reasonable amount to pay to resolve this case? And so there’s just, again, I think we’re tip of the iceberg right now. There’s a lot of companies that are trying to play in the legal tech space, and it’s just a really fun time to be involved in it. I’m curious, Karl,

[00:23:53] Tanner Jones: from your, Experience in this, like, how are you staying ahead?

How are you testing this software? How are you learning about it? [00:24:00] Have you found that there are certain conventions you attend to stay up to date certain individuals you follow? What’s been

[00:24:07] Karl Seelbach: your secret? Yeah, so that’s a good question. My seat’s a little unique because I like legal tech a lot and I’m a legal tech founder.

Some of the companies I mentioned, I met last year at the legal tech fund. They had a big conference in Miami. I wasn’t able to go this year. I had a conflict, but they actually just had their other one, which is more focused on Who are the up and coming legal tech companies and then there’s VCs and other funders that are there talking about kind of hot topics.

So that’s one of the ways that I’ve been exposed to it, some, there’s other great conferences, right? Clio has a big one Clio con every year that my firm uses Clio for case management software. The American Bar Association does their tech show every year. There’s tons of podcasts. This is one example, but there’s a ton of legal tech podcast.

I think a lot of attorneys will also just get their recommendations through word of mouth. We tend to get overwhelmed with emails and email marketing. Sometimes it gets my attention. [00:25:00] Sometimes it doesn’t. It feels like noise. I think I had one offer me to buy me Chick fil A if I would hop on a zoom call with them about something, which, which was tempting.

Yeah, it got your attention. Apparently it got my attention. It got my attention. I hadn’t had anyone offered to buy me Chick fil A before in that context.

[00:25:17] Tanner Jones: Karl, I’m grateful for the time you’ve shared on the Lawson show. You’ve given us a lot of wisdom and I know our listeners are appreciative as well.

Any final or closing thoughts that you would have for our viewers? Those interested in this and in the world of AI and tools. Sure. A couple of things. So

[00:25:32] Karl Seelbach: one Anyone who’s interested in the scribe piece of this? skribe. ai which is a modern platform for taking depositions, but also for uploading and analyzing Your audio and video files in your case, anyone who’s interested in that, shoot me an email.

It’s Karl K A R L at scribe S K R I B E dot AI. And you’ll get a discount for being an awesome podcast listener. Give you a [00:26:00] complimentary use of the tools so you can kick the tires and see what it’s about. So that piece I just wanted to mention briefly. Otherwise the scribe team would kick me if I forgot.

The second part though, is again, putting my law firm owner hat on for just a minute. I think it’s important to test before you implement some of these technologies, and I would suggest you test them yourself and maybe find, one or two or maybe, three or four fellow team members that could test them with you.

Because I think the worst thing. The worst thing you could do as a law firm owner is just roll out GPT to your entire staff without any training, without any guidance. If you do that, I think the chances are you’re going to end up in the news for, doing, some type of hallucination is going to come back to bite you.

And not all publicity is good publicity and to be frank with you I think I mentioned earlier, I’m still in the early testing phase on a lot of this, we haven’t rolled out a ton of AI solutions firm wide. We’re trying to figure out which one is the [00:27:00] best one for us and which one can we justify the cost?

The one thing we didn’t cover and I’ll just end with this thought is. Please. Some of these are very expensive tools. Some of these are very pricey. So you have to look at cost benefit analysis and think about it from the standpoint of, is it a pass through expense, right? Is this something my client will pay either at the end of the case, if I’m a plaintiff’s attorney or, on my monthly invoice, if I’m doing defense work, or is this going to be overhead?

And so I think that will play a pretty big. Factor and just how quickly I gets adopted in the legal space, but, I’m by no means an expert. I’m actually studying this stuff. I want to test more of these softwares. If anyone’s listening that does a software and legal tech, shoot me an email. I’d love to connect.

I’d love to test your platform and give you some feedback, but it’s a lot of fun. And I think that it’s definitely going to change the, I don’t think it’s going to replace attorneys. I do think it’s going to reduce the number of. [00:28:00] Support staff that you need. I’m not like I don’t think you’ll lay people off, but I think once you layer in some of these solutions.

You will be able to turn your cases faster. You’ll be able to do more with less, I guess is what I’m saying.

[00:28:13] Tanner Jones: Thank you for being the one out here helping the legal profession stay ahead of the curve. Grateful for your time, Karl. And we’ll look forward to the next one.

Hopefully it’ll be us and not AI that is recreating. So that’s right. If anybody

[00:28:26] Karl Seelbach: says anything crazy, it’s not me. It must be AI bot.

[00:28:30] Tanner Jones: There’s the disclaimer. Yeah. Thanks Karl. Thanks Tanner. Appreciate it. Yes, sir. Take

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To get away from the office and de-stress